tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post2926053546944985193..comments2024-03-23T12:05:13.464-07:00Comments on Ideas: Vaccination: Two ArgumentsDavid Friedmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-59874798748553244412021-12-13T09:03:00.743-08:002021-12-13T09:03:00.743-08:00While protection against infection seems to be dow...<i> While protection against infection seems to be down to something like 50% after a few months, protection against severe cases remains high; that is the main reason that death rates have been substantially lower, relative to infection rates, than before. </i><br /><br />Maybe. Another possibility is that the most vulnerable people already died off during a previous wave, leaving a disproportionate number of people with relatively healthy immune systems.<br /><br />GregLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-65484322124433082082021-12-12T20:39:27.190-08:002021-12-12T20:39:27.190-08:00Not strange at all, just functionally the same as ...Not strange at all, just functionally the same as slavery - with extra steps, as the line goes.Arqidukahttp://mendimeterastit.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-86391770324563007282021-12-12T12:25:42.729-08:002021-12-12T12:25:42.729-08:00> Protection against infection is an argument f...> Protection against infection is an argument for requiring children to be vaccinated, since they can pass infection on to their much more vulnerable elders.<br /><br />Debatable:<br /><br />1. Munro APS, Faust SN. Children are not COVID19 super spreaders: time to go back to school. Arch Dis Child 2020;105(7):618-619. doi: 10.1136/archdischild-2020-319474. Erratum in: Arch Dis Child 2021;106(2):e9.<br /><br />2. Ludvigsson JF. Children are unlikely to be the main drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic—a systematic review. Acta Paediatr 2020;109(8):1525-1530. doi: 10.1111/apa.15371. A Country Farmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-6782089550509029322021-12-12T09:21:13.510-08:002021-12-12T09:21:13.510-08:00@Arqiduka Or, we could make people pay for the ext...@Arqiduka Or, we could make people pay for the externalities they impose on others. Strange and wild idea, I guess.Modern Mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17893227760361314933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-34792768851266131032021-12-11T10:38:31.808-08:002021-12-11T10:38:31.808-08:00One of the (many) reasons why things like this mus...One of the (many) reasons why things like this must be kept to personal choice is that, else, we are implicitly hubristically asserting that we know all there is to know about a very new thing and its effects. With the disproportionally high infections of Omicron in the vaccinated, we *may* be seeing issues related to original antigenic sin: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772613421000068<br /><br />It is too early to know for sure either way, but the fact that we don't know and can't know - among many other things we don't yet know - are principled arguments against mandatory vaccinations, at the very least for a long time until much, much more time has passed and data collected. Considering the reasons to believe AEs have been underreported - the myocarditis risks of 1/1300 for young men, for example, that we had no idea about after the EUA trial data (https://twitter.com/rfsquared/status/1469415659813621761) - it is really irresponsible to make any of this mandatory. I would argue ever, but even if you would accept mandates at some point, we are not nearly at that point yet for clear and compelling obvious reasons.Michael Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862226419216868884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-60141903624724052692021-12-10T19:52:33.864-08:002021-12-10T19:52:33.864-08:00I agree, but the point of the post is the differen...I agree, but the point of the post is the difference between the two arguments and the fact that one of them may be becoming irrelevant. I don't only post for people who agree with me.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-50258479820649324962021-12-10T16:33:26.344-08:002021-12-10T16:33:26.344-08:00That second argument- weak as it may be - is the a...That second argument- weak as it may be - is the argument for slavery.<br /><br />If a group can be made to take a vaccine due to high treatment costs borne by others, what about smokers, fast food lovers or those who skip gym? Indeed, what is stopping any regime from having people (paraphrasing from memory) board themselves up, eat but asparagus and live the long life, if life that may be called?<br /><br />At some point a society is called to draw a bright red line over externalities, and ingore those that fall on the wrong side if it, else freedom as a concept is meaningless.Arqidukahttp://mendimeterastit.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com