tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post8874296546818702342..comments2024-03-23T12:05:13.464-07:00Comments on Ideas: Paradoxes of an Interventionist Foreign PolicyDavid Friedmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-85879665237921811782014-09-06T21:59:37.560-07:002014-09-06T21:59:37.560-07:00Yes, it seems that Roosevelt was keen at least to ...Yes, it seems that Roosevelt was keen at least to support Britain and her allies in the war, but the voters and many politicians preferred to keep out of it.<br /><br />Wikipedia reports that, in the presidential election campaign of 1940, «Roosevelt stressed both his proven leadership experience and his intention to do everything possible to keep the United States out of war. In one of his speeches he declared to potential recruits that "you boys are not going to be sent into any foreign war."»<br /><br />Either this was insincere or he changed his mind in mid-1941, when he started planning for full involvement in the war. However, it took the attack on Pearl Harbor to shift public opinion.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661031964537092605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-63672952382943726952014-09-06T21:49:13.147-07:002014-09-06T21:49:13.147-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661031964537092605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-11648042720855843442014-09-06T14:13:39.903-07:002014-09-06T14:13:39.903-07:00I think it's pretty clear that Roosevelt wante...I think it's pretty clear that Roosevelt wanted to get the U.S. into the war but did not have sufficient support to do so. I don't know if intervention short of war was intended to provoke a Japanese attack or not.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-78942689075260352152014-09-06T01:45:07.211-07:002014-09-06T01:45:07.211-07:00Thanks for the information: I wasn't aware of ...Thanks for the information: I wasn't aware of those details. They help to explain the background to the attack on Pearl Harbor.<br /><br />I think it remains true that the US government took no definite decision to join the war before Pearl Harbor; and the attack on Pearl Harbor took the decision out of its hands.<br /><br />It chose to meddle in the war in some small ways before Pearl Harbor, which was probably inadvisable if it really wanted to keep out of it.<br /><br />You can argue that the USA could have stayed out of the war by following a strictly neutral policy throughout. That's possible, but it's alternative-history speculation and can't be proved.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661031964537092605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-76522987723278426652014-09-05T18:05:30.109-07:002014-09-05T18:05:30.109-07:00Jonathan: Japan attacked the U.S., but only after ...Jonathan: Japan attacked the U.S., but only after the U.S. had done various things to oppose the Japanese invasion of China, including embargoing oil shipments. Japan, as I understand the situation, was faced with the alternative of running too low on oil to fight a naval war or getting it somewhere, which meant Indonesia, then controlled by the Dutch, which was likely to mean war with the U.S.<br /><br />It's worth remembering that the only reason the Japanese attacked the U.S. without first declaring war before the U.S. did the same to them was that it took the Flying Tigers longer to get into action in China against the Japanese than expected. They are now known to have been a government project, although they claimed to be private.<br />David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-75731552493649745572014-09-05T09:26:08.111-07:002014-09-05T09:26:08.111-07:00The insight here is to not treat this as a paradox...The insight here is to not treat this as a paradox or anomaly but rather to adjust the political science to accommodate this regularly observed rational pattern. If we adopt the methodology of Anthony de Jasay's maximizing firm--the maximand being discretionary power--then this is what we would expect and predict.<br /><br />We should not exclude the scientific method from political science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-20857426468125556192014-09-04T23:02:49.123-07:002014-09-04T23:02:49.123-07:00Ryan, I think your first sentence is a point worth...Ryan, I think your first sentence is a point worth making, but you don't really answer the points made in the original post.<br /><br />Fighting the Second World War wasn't an option for the USA. Japan attacked it and Germany declared war on it. When that happens, you're in the war whether you like it or not. It doesn't really count as a deliberate foreign intervention.<br /><br />I wouldn't willingly have fought in Korea or Vietnam, but then I'm British (and not born at the time of the Korean war), so I didn't have to.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661031964537092605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-56197990070677342552014-09-04T16:08:56.193-07:002014-09-04T16:08:56.193-07:00To support interventionist foreign policy, you don...To support interventionist foreign policy, you don't have to believe the government will execute the intervention well--you only have to believe that it will execute it well enough that the end result is better than if it had done nothing. <br /><br />Prof Boudreaux argues if you don't believe in government intervention in markets at home, you shouldn't believe in it abroad. I disagree. When the government intervenes in markets it has to do things more efficiently than the markets do them. Not so with foreign policy. It just has to improve the situation enough to justify the costs.<br /><br />I think your examples illustrate this. With the exception of Vietnam, I would think most of those interventions were worth it. Certainly fighting WWII against Japan was worth it. The Korean War was worth it. Fight the cold war seems worth it. And it's hard to know what the counter-factual is, but if we'd stuck it out and won in Vietnam, it may have been well worth it, too.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01208509558310646795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-33708289253373878382014-09-01T12:37:16.199-07:002014-09-01T12:37:16.199-07:00Arguments for government action of any kind tend t...Arguments for government action of any kind tend to assume that the government will act with skill: a triumph of hope over experience.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661031964537092605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-46761476277350257642014-08-27T06:35:00.660-07:002014-08-27T06:35:00.660-07:00Laird,
I think you are being enormously unfair to...Laird,<br /><br />I think you are being enormously unfair to the Stooges.LHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-13644895665936144432014-08-27T04:57:16.522-07:002014-08-27T04:57:16.522-07:00^ Bingo!^ Bingo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-74961940041744377832014-08-26T13:49:26.271-07:002014-08-26T13:49:26.271-07:00I think Assad is very likely still the enemy. ISI...I think Assad is very likely still the enemy. ISIS is the propaganda- the pretext for the U.S. to begin action. Why should the target list be constrained to ISIS?<br />Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758314961163692341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-43625674698899335942014-08-26T13:30:47.639-07:002014-08-26T13:30:47.639-07:00Well said. It should also be noted that not only w...Well said. It should also be noted that not only were we Assad's mortal enemy just one year ago (with Obama calling for his resignation and almost taking us to war against him, which was only prevented by outcry of the American people), but it now appears that we have been arming ISIS for several years (perhaps inadvertently, but still . . .) Our foreign policy isn't being devised by Metternich, but by Moe, Larry and Curly. Lairdnoreply@blogger.com