tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post5403802691125549983..comments2024-03-23T12:05:13.464-07:00Comments on Ideas: Heathrow NotesDavid Friedmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-4308622199075804952013-02-10T13:49:39.755-08:002013-02-10T13:49:39.755-08:00My parents (who are in their seventies, and have c...My parents (who are in their seventies, and have civil service pensions of the sort that nobody of my generation will have, and are therefore comfortably well off) stayed in a nice hotel in Malaysia recently, which did charge for internet access. My parents paid for internet access for one day, and were informed immediately by the staff of the hotel that the internet access would be complimentary for the remainder of this stay. Essentially the hotel staff figured out that they were the sorts of people who were paying for the hotel with their own money, and the charge for the internet was therefore waived. <br /><br />As for passports, Britain has chosen to be outside the Schengen zone that has abolished such checks for most people in western Europe. They have done this for rather base political reasons. "We must be tough in our defence of our borders". It doesn't achieve anything, but it sounds good on the evening news, so they do it. It doesn't matter how much time it wasted or how much money it costs, because it isn't the politicians that are paying it.<br /><br />The situations with trains is even worse from Gatwick airport. There are two train services from Gatwick airport to Victoria Station: the "Gatwick Express", and the regular "Southern" service. They take exactly the same route, except that the Southern Service (which costs about half the price) stops at about two extra stations and takes five minutes longer. All the signs at Gatwick Airport point you to the Gatwick Express. Londoners generally know about both services, and get the cheaper service, but foreigners who have just arrived are confused and often take the more expensive service. Or they buy a ticket for it and then get on the next train to Victoria, whichever service it might be. Ticket inspectors are used to this, and have the authority to exchange the wrong ticket for the correct one and adjust the fare. This leads to the slightly absurd situation in which passengers are told that they are on the wrong train and are therefore given half their money back after previously buying a ticket. (Regulation requires that any ticket machine sell all tickets for any train company - even ones that do not operate the ticket machine in question). Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09197909058431076608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-90249845273920450432013-02-03T16:35:11.192-08:002013-02-03T16:35:11.192-08:00Tim Harford looked at the question of internet in ...Tim Harford looked at the question of internet in hotels a while back<br />http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_undercover_economist/2007/02/minibar_economics.single.html<br /><br />The case of Express/Connect/Tube/car seems like it might be understood as well as price discrimination as indifference. Plenty of people who go in and out of Heathrow value their time at well over £10/hr. On average, between the greater frequency and shorter trip, you're saving 22.5 minutes per trip. (I make that trip a lot and generally take whichever one arrives first.)<br /><br />Also, in defence of the UK Border Agency, they have an automatic eye-scanning entry gate for frequent travellers. It's a great system and suggests that they're not entirely indifferent to people's time (if maybe not as good about it as they might be).Blogowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00233315515647970022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-4732099648234000862013-02-02T22:34:21.030-08:002013-02-02T22:34:21.030-08:00The thing is that the people at big companies who ...The thing is that the people at big companies who approve and pay out on travelers' expense accounts aren't really price-insensitive. They'd <i>like</i> to cut down on expenses. It makes them look good, and they disapprove of waste. So a room price that's $20 cheaper sounds good to them. But if the traveler then spends $10 for internet access and $10 for breakfast, those seem reasonable. I mean, the guy needs to get online to do his work. And he needs to eat. So they'll approve that extra $20, while feeling good about having saved some money on the room.Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-81415050573351179452013-01-31T11:16:28.733-08:002013-01-31T11:16:28.733-08:00To Milhouse:
My guess is that many more business ...To Milhouse:<br /><br />My guess is that many more business travelers stay at the mid-level hotels, were Wi-fi is free, than at the very expensive ones. And, in any case, "the consumer isn't price sensitive" doesn't explain why the hotel charges for internet connection instead of simply charging more for rooms.<br /><br />At a slight tangent, I wonder what the effect will be on hotel practice of more and more people being able to connect to the internet at reasonable speed through their cell phones.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-62680966954050106892013-01-31T03:15:25.667-08:002013-01-31T03:15:25.667-08:00"Eliminating that waste would not require mor..."Eliminating that waste would not require more person hours of checking, since in any case they have to check everyone’s passport. It would require the airport to put more people on at busy times, fewer when not many passengers are coming through. I find it hard to believe that the cost of such an arrangement would come to anything close to the value of the time saved."<br /><br />This has been a political football just recently. I can't remember the exact details of how and why but it is something to do with the inability of public sector management and unions to get along. Or see the customer as being the person subject to the service rather than the people providing it.<br /><br />As to the why of it at all: One of the sub-groups within the EU is "Schengen". The is passport free travel between certain countries. Yesterday I came back from the Czech Republic to Portugal via Germany. The airlines checked my passport, to see that I was indeed me as named on the ticket. But no one else.<br /><br />The UK is not part of Schengen so all people crossing the border (EU citizens and UK alike) have to show their passport.<br /><br />There's just a different queue for UK and EU and then another one for all non-EU.Tim Worstallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13161727860817121071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-55601479589824328282013-01-31T01:16:44.774-08:002013-01-31T01:16:44.774-08:00There's nothing puzzling about it: the big hot...There's nothing puzzling about it: the big hotels are geared to the businesss traveler on an expense account; their employers will gladly pay the $10 a day or whatever it is for them to get connected and productive, so why not charge? The hotels that are competing for customers who are paying their own way offer free WiFi because if they don't people will go elsewhere, and it's not as if it costs them very much.Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-11500010406378004992013-01-30T17:50:29.078-08:002013-01-30T17:50:29.078-08:00On this trip, we stayed at six different hotels in...On this trip, we stayed at six different hotels in Europe—three budget hotels which we were paying for, three much fancier hotels provided by people I was giving talks for. Five of the six provided a free breakfast—a fairly simple English breakfast for the budget hotels in London, a very luxurious breakfast for the fancy hotels in Zurich, Milan, and Madrid. The one exception was a very nice budget hotel in Barcelona, where breakfast was 9 Euros. We preferred to get a few pastries elsewhere, so I don't know how good the hotel breakfast was.<br /><br />My experience in the U.S. is that cheap motels have low quality free breakfasts while what I think of as middle level motels, such as Hampton Inn, have pretty good free breakfasts. I'm not sure what the pattern is for expensive hotels in the U.S.<br /><br />So far as the reason, I've been told that free breakfasts became common as a result of changes in IRS rules which made it harder to deduct meals as expenses while still letting you deduct the cost of a hotel room. I don't know if that is correct or not.<br /><br />I've long been puzzled over the pattern with regard to internet connectivity. Low and mid-level motels provide it for free, expensive hotels generally charge extra for it.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-26624814275442445982013-01-30T12:09:19.606-08:002013-01-30T12:09:19.606-08:00Free breakfast at hotels is common at smaller, bud...Free breakfast at hotels is common at smaller, budget hotels, which do not have restaurants; it is never offered by the big "good" hotels where SF cons are held. Those hotels are geared to the business traveler on an expense account, and incorporate restaurants at which they expect you to have breakfast. The smaller budget hotels also often have laundry facilities; the bigger and expensive ones never do, and their concierges tend to have no idea where to find a nearby place with a reasonably priced service laundry. Nor do they usually know anything about how to get there by public transport. Also, the expensive hotels usually charge for WiFi, though this is becoming less common now, while the cheap hotels have offered free WiFi for years. <br /><br />And no, it's not true in Europe. I've only stayed at one European hotel, which was not top of the range, and it did have a free breakfast. I know that in Israel (which is culturally more European than anything else) all the big hotels have free breakfast, and it's a huge spread that obviates any need for lunch! (Non-guests can also pay just for breakfast.)Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-55352774912413398502013-01-30T09:56:49.091-08:002013-01-30T09:56:49.091-08:00I also enjoy reading David's analysis.
On a m...I also enjoy reading David's analysis.<br /><br />On a more mundane note, I don't travel much but did this last winter. I was informed at the hotel I stayed at in a major US city that hotels "do not offer free breakfast", which surprised me (previous hotels I've stayed at offered free breakfast). There was a snazzy looking restaurant on the first floor which might explain their decision not to offer a free one. Is it true in Europe that there are no gratis breakfasts at the hotels?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-34306297218210997922013-01-30T08:28:36.985-08:002013-01-30T08:28:36.985-08:00Good post, Mr Friedman, I rarely see articles or p...Good post, Mr Friedman, I rarely see articles or posts about the cost of interacting with the state. People usually assume the cost is in the taxes paid, forgetting that it takes several working days per citizen to interact with the state, mostly for matters that are really just about data processing.<br /><br />I've been looking at various solutions to this, one of them being that online companies would take on the role of interface between citizens and states. <br /><br />Think of a Groupon for taxpayers, effectively. The interfacing company makes a deal with various states to enable its customers to get x number of services in return for y amount of tax. <br /><br />Conditional in that deal would be that customers get to go through a line where the passport checking is done by machine processing customer data. If anything unusual shows up, the customer would be redirected to a human-to-human routine, where their passport and data are checked by passport control the way they are now.<br /><br /><br /><br />Galléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18214099986528184773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-11455607788029277112013-01-30T03:13:05.340-08:002013-01-30T03:13:05.340-08:00I owe my love for Chesterton's "Lepanto&q...I owe my love for Chesterton's "Lepanto" to Frank Meyer, who recited it to me forty-some years ago. At this point I think two of my children know the poem by heart, probably a little better than I do.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-24022339142633430452013-01-29T22:24:15.138-08:002013-01-29T22:24:15.138-08:00They have a replica of Don John's galley? Cool...They have a replica of Don John's galley? Cool! I read Chesterton's long poem about that battle in my teens and it made a lasting impression on me as narrative; in fact I think it might have helped prepare me to appreciate the battle scenes in <i>The Lord of the Rings</i>.William H. Stoddardhttp://whswhs.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-80907661980835626952013-01-29T16:48:23.403-08:002013-01-29T16:48:23.403-08:00It is possible that the unions have tied up the m...It is possible that the unions have tied up the management by requiring pay for a full shift even if someone works a short shift. If true keeping staff numbers reasonaable would force them to spread the pain to the public in the form of waiting. My limited understanding of public transportation is that part of the reason I see so many empty (sometimes literally, other times with one or two passengers) buses is that drivers are paid certain minimums for showing up at all and there is no marginal labor cost for them to drive a few hours longer. <br /><br />A similar situation occurs when roads are torn up. It appears that those doing the work do not value the public's time at all. If they did there would be larger crews or tighter scheduling, both probably increasing costs only slightly.<br /><br />I believe part of the reason for these things is that only a small percentage of people (I guess less than 10%) enjoy analyzing as illustrated by the first two comments. I spent 12 years on a school board and the culture of that organization was not to analyze or estimate inconveniences quantitatively (lots of anecdotal remarks though). I and at times another tried to impart more of this kind of thinking but we didn't succeed.Normnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-73370963109169305562013-01-29T11:08:28.024-08:002013-01-29T11:08:28.024-08:00The Real Value of Practice Test for GED
ged books ...The Real Value of Practice Test for GED<br /><a href="http://www.gedbooks.org/tag/ged/" rel="nofollow">ged books 2011</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174157687212464551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-59570251641837751302013-01-29T08:54:01.300-08:002013-01-29T08:54:01.300-08:00I would assume that the valuation of the users'...I would assume that the valuation of the users' time is going to be more accurate by the folks providing transportation than the folks processing passports.<br /><br />After all, using their transport services is entirely optional. You can take the tube. Or a taxi. Or a car service. Or rent a car. Or make internet friends with a Londoner who you think can be relied on to come and pick you up. If you are genuinely unhappy with the official airport transit options, you can decline to use them, is the point.<br /><br />Decline to use the passport line, on the other hand, and your only alternative is to forego whatever purpose brought you to England (either because you don't go to England, or because you do go, but you rush past passport control, get arrested, and go to prison, which presumably would preclude proceeding with your planned itinerary, whatever that might be).<br /><br />Even when run by the government, services which have effective private-sector substitutes tend to at least seriously consider the needs and desires of their users. Those which have no substitutes, on the other hand, tend not to.lelnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600824544185328505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-72568830020118606502013-01-29T08:32:35.707-08:002013-01-29T08:32:35.707-08:00I enjoy analyzing.I enjoy analyzing.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19727420.post-24535078324818386402013-01-29T08:31:40.346-08:002013-01-29T08:31:40.346-08:00No offence, but I think that you need to get out a...No offence, but I think that you need to get out a bit more. Too much analysing, not enough enjoyingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com