I just came across a letter I wrote to Edith Efron in 1978 on the anarchist/minarchist controversy. It occurred to me that others might find it interesting. I don't remember if she ever answered it.
But then, I also don't remember writing it.
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Iskander
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Do you have the script (or any other details) of your talk on Nozick's book? I found ASU to be a wonderful book and I'd love to see what your thoughts of it were/are. I enjoyed Machinery of Freedom too, it made me think seriously about anarchism as beforehand I saw it purely as the Rothbardian farce that seems to have more widespread recognition.
I do feel like Libertarianism is making a lot of progress. Not too long ago, I saw an (attractive) female on the D.C. metro reading the Machinery of Freedom. I doubt you would see that 20 years ago. She even mentioned meeting David Friedman and being a fan. Libertarianism use to be the domain of white male nerds, but its expanded. I've seen quite a few Libertarians from non-traditional backgrounds: Blacks, attractive females, Hispanics, etc. I actually had a discussion with her on Rothbard vs Friedmans vision of Anarcho-Capitalism. I do get the sense that people see Friedman as more of a moderate while Rothbard's vision as extremely radical. I can see mainstream society buying into Friedman alot easier than I can see them buying into Rothbard once they dig into some of his outsider opinions (abortion, race, etc.).
It's a long time ago, but I think what was going on was that at that point Cato was controlled by Rothbard people with whom I had a variety of disagreements.
Rothbard sure did commit a few errors. But he and Buchanan were some of the precious few people who truly appreciated that the fundamental problem with government is the massive scarcity of individual valuation. However, unlike Buchanan, for some reason Rothbard never publicly considered the possibility of taxpayers simply directly allocating their taxes. I know there were quite a few rather fruitless exchanges between Buchanan and Samuelson... but I haven't run across any exchanges between Buchanan and Rothbard. Did you have any exchanges with Buchanan?
Ayn Rand simply refused to examine the anarcho-capitalist position? Hah. Ain't that the worst!? I know of one awesome and prominent anarcho-capitalist, not going to mention any names (because it's a really short list), who simply refuses to allocate more than three sentences to the pragmatarian position! So I can certainly empathize. :D But to his immense credit, so far he's been super tolerant of my occasional pestering. :)
Have you seen this fundraising page on the LP website? There's a list of possible themes for the 2018 convention. Donors can "dollar vote" for their favorite themes. Now we can all see that the demand for "Taxation Is Theft" is relatively insignificant. Oh man, if only Rothbard was alive to see that! Last time I checked the most valuable theme is, "I'm That Libertarian". I had no idea what it meant. Given that it was the most valuable theme I decided to google for it. I found a Youtube video of some guy giving a pretty impassioned libertarian speech. It was a little awkward, as is usually the case with libertarians, but I gotta admit that it was somewhat inspiring.
What's super cool, and loads ironic, about the Libertarian Party's fundraising system... is that it's a pragmatarian system! Well... to give credit where it's due... it's Buchanan's system. Since donors are giving their money to the LP anyways, they have absolutely no incentive to conceal their true preference for the themes. Sure, the donations are voluntary rather than compulsory... so in this regard there is still the free-rider problem. Perhaps if all libertarians were required to make a minimum donation to their preferred theme, we'd super ironically discover that the "Taxation Is Theft" theme is far more relatively valuable. Nevertheless the LP's fundraiser quite nicely demonstrates the idea of using a payment to reveal/communicate the intensity of more specific preferences.
Last night I e-mailed Wes Benedict and asked if he was interested in being BFFs. In my e-mail I told him that it would be ultra awesome if he did the same thing with books! Which pro-market/freedom book is the most valuable?! Oh God I'd love to know! I'd love to be able to see the true value of things! Dear God in heaven please cure my blindness!!!
Oh, wow, Benedict seriously just replied to my e-mail. I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised that he did so! Hmmm... he didn't accept or reject my BFF offer. Seems like he's playing it safe. :)
The beauty of MoF is that it assumes that it's possible to solve enough problems without government to let the ones you cannot solve slide. Then it goes on to show that in theory, anarchism can work, just like in theory, government can work.
Just recently I found this Mises.org article, written three months after my comment here, which included this quote...
"It would be ... instructive to allow the various [taxpayers] to check off what specific services or agencies they wish to earmark for expenditure of their funds. It would be still more fun to see vicious and truthful competitive advertising between bureaus: “No, no, don’t contribute to those lazy louts in the Department of Transportation (or whatever), give to us.” For once, government propaganda might even prove to be instructive and enjoyable." - Murray Rothbard, Making Economic Sense
My mind was kinda blown. Except, when I read the source, it turned out that Rothbard was actually referring to voluntary taxation...
"It would be even more instructive to allow the various anonymous contributors to check off what specific services or agencies they wish to earmark for expenditure of their funds. It would be still more fun to see vicious and truthful competitive advertising between bureaus: “No, no, don’t contribute to those lazy louts in the Department of Transportation (or whatever), give to us.” For once, government propaganda might even prove to be instructive and enjoyable.
The precedent has already been set: if it is proper and legitimate for President Bush and his administration to beg Japan, Germany, and other nations for funds for our military adventures in the Persian Gulf, why shouldn’t they be forced, at least for one glorious year, to beg for funds from the American people, instead of wielding their usual bludgeon?"
This would occur with individual earmarking even if taxation was compulsory rather than voluntary. Why didn't Rothbard realize this?
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Do you have the script (or any other details) of your talk on Nozick's book?
I found ASU to be a wonderful book and I'd love to see what your thoughts of it were/are.
I enjoyed Machinery of Freedom too, it made me think seriously about anarchism as beforehand I saw it purely as the Rothbardian farce that seems to have more widespread recognition.
Iskander:
That was about forty years ago, so I'm afraid I don't. It's possible that someone recorded it, but not likely.
That's a pity, thanks anyway!
Speaking of Machinery of Freedom,
I do feel like Libertarianism is making a lot of progress. Not too long ago, I saw an (attractive) female on the D.C. metro reading the Machinery of Freedom. I doubt you would see that 20 years ago. She even mentioned meeting David Friedman and being a fan. Libertarianism use to be the domain of white male nerds, but its expanded. I've seen quite a few Libertarians from non-traditional backgrounds: Blacks, attractive females, Hispanics, etc. I actually had a discussion with her on Rothbard vs Friedmans vision of Anarcho-Capitalism. I do get the sense that people see Friedman as more of a moderate while Rothbard's vision as extremely radical. I can see mainstream society buying into Friedman alot easier than I can see them buying into Rothbard once they dig into some of his outsider opinions (abortion, race, etc.).
That's very interesting, David. Thank you for posting it online.
Can you elaborate on the controversy surrounding the Cato Institute, and why you declined to write for it?
Andrew:
It's a long time ago, but I think what was going on was that at that point Cato was controlled by Rothbard people with whom I had a variety of disagreements.
Rothbard sure did commit a few errors. But he and Buchanan were some of the precious few people who truly appreciated that the fundamental problem with government is the massive scarcity of individual valuation. However, unlike Buchanan, for some reason Rothbard never publicly considered the possibility of taxpayers simply directly allocating their taxes. I know there were quite a few rather fruitless exchanges between Buchanan and Samuelson... but I haven't run across any exchanges between Buchanan and Rothbard. Did you have any exchanges with Buchanan?
Ayn Rand simply refused to examine the anarcho-capitalist position? Hah. Ain't that the worst!? I know of one awesome and prominent anarcho-capitalist, not going to mention any names (because it's a really short list), who simply refuses to allocate more than three sentences to the pragmatarian position! So I can certainly empathize. :D But to his immense credit, so far he's been super tolerant of my occasional pestering. :)
Have you seen this fundraising page on the LP website? There's a list of possible themes for the 2018 convention. Donors can "dollar vote" for their favorite themes. Now we can all see that the demand for "Taxation Is Theft" is relatively insignificant. Oh man, if only Rothbard was alive to see that! Last time I checked the most valuable theme is, "I'm That Libertarian". I had no idea what it meant. Given that it was the most valuable theme I decided to google for it. I found a Youtube video of some guy giving a pretty impassioned libertarian speech. It was a little awkward, as is usually the case with libertarians, but I gotta admit that it was somewhat inspiring.
What's super cool, and loads ironic, about the Libertarian Party's fundraising system... is that it's a pragmatarian system! Well... to give credit where it's due... it's Buchanan's system. Since donors are giving their money to the LP anyways, they have absolutely no incentive to conceal their true preference for the themes. Sure, the donations are voluntary rather than compulsory... so in this regard there is still the free-rider problem. Perhaps if all libertarians were required to make a minimum donation to their preferred theme, we'd super ironically discover that the "Taxation Is Theft" theme is far more relatively valuable. Nevertheless the LP's fundraiser quite nicely demonstrates the idea of using a payment to reveal/communicate the intensity of more specific preferences.
Last night I e-mailed Wes Benedict and asked if he was interested in being BFFs. In my e-mail I told him that it would be ultra awesome if he did the same thing with books! Which pro-market/freedom book is the most valuable?! Oh God I'd love to know! I'd love to be able to see the true value of things! Dear God in heaven please cure my blindness!!!
Oh, wow, Benedict seriously just replied to my e-mail. I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised that he did so! Hmmm... he didn't accept or reject my BFF offer. Seems like he's playing it safe. :)
The beauty of MoF is that it assumes that it's possible to solve enough problems without government to let the ones you cannot solve slide. Then it goes on to show that in theory, anarchism can work, just like in theory, government can work.
It is not often one sees a letter beginning "Dear Ms. Efron" and ending "cc: Robert Nozick"...
Just recently I found this Mises.org article, written three months after my comment here, which included this quote...
"It would be ... instructive to allow the various [taxpayers] to check off what specific services or agencies they wish to earmark for expenditure of their funds. It would be still more fun to see vicious and truthful competitive advertising between bureaus: “No, no, don’t contribute to those lazy louts in the Department of Transportation (or whatever), give to us.” For once, government propaganda might even prove to be instructive and enjoyable." - Murray Rothbard, Making Economic Sense
My mind was kinda blown. Except, when I read the source, it turned out that Rothbard was actually referring to voluntary taxation...
"It would be even more instructive to allow the various anonymous contributors to check off what specific services or agencies they wish to earmark for expenditure of their funds. It would be still more fun to see vicious and truthful competitive advertising between bureaus: “No, no, don’t contribute to those lazy louts in the Department of Transportation (or whatever), give to us.” For once, government propaganda might even prove to be instructive and enjoyable.
The precedent has already been set: if it is proper and legitimate for President Bush and his administration to beg Japan, Germany, and other nations for funds for our military adventures in the Persian Gulf, why shouldn’t they be forced, at least for one glorious year, to beg for funds from the American people, instead of wielding their usual bludgeon?"
This would occur with individual earmarking even if taxation was compulsory rather than voluntary. Why didn't Rothbard realize this?
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